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TOPIC: Pentagon Witness List
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Campo, Omar SGYDK http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...sses/sgydk.html Source: Media This guy's account was butchered in translation here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1fa23_pe...mar-campos_news This translation was further twisted by media reports: Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. "It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here." First of all he was planting "small trees" at the "building beside the Pentagon here.." where it flew over his head "just above the treetops" and "on the other side of the road". Going by those descriptions can you tell where he was? Hint: there are no buildings "beside the Pentagon" on the official path within the Pentagon basin. http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/b...GroupsMap-3.jpg He is also quoted as a "small plane" witness when in actual fact he said that the plane appeared smaller "like a United Airlines plane", not a small passenger jet as some have claimed. A Spanish speaking poster at the CIT forum (I speak Spanish myself) pointed out the mistakes in translation here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?s...dpost&p=2241757 He is not a witness to the alleged impact and his testimony points more to the NOC flightpath. More detailed breakdown from above link: His only testimony is in this live video clip Campos interview. The guy who translated for the interviewer changed the context and content of what he said and saw. “sabes que yo estaba trabjando en el edificio que tenemos aqui al costado" I was working in the building that we have over here to the side. When asked what he saw Campos said the plane came in over him low, "so low it moved the trees.." “yo lo via que me pasaba aqui por encima, tu sabes que venia muy bajo y movia hasta los arboles, hasta segun venia tan de bajo”. He repeats the fact that it was low twice. The translator, on the other hand, changed that to say it came in “very fast down, it moved then go straight to the building”. The translator didn’t even mention it was low, which is what Campos emphasized. Campos didn’t say anything about the speed of the plane, and DID NOT say it “moved straight to the building”. The translator made that up. Also related to the color of the plane, Gordon Peterson (the interviewer) mentioned American Airlines (nothing leading there) and the translator passed that on in his question to Omar. Campos ignored them and responded that it was like one of the planes here from United ("algo asi como los de la United"), which was translated as "a United States Plane" by the translator. Omar was clearly talking about United Airlines, not "United States Plane". Omar wasn’t mixing English and Spanish like the “translator”. Had he meant a “United States Plane” he would have used “de los estados unidos” or “estado unidinese”. In effect Omar was confirming Sgt Brooke’s perception of the plane as being one from United Airlines. So where in this picture is a building "to the side of the Pentagon"and trees? It certainly isn't on the south path.  So he isn't an alleged impact witness or an 'AA' witness according to this testimony Candelario, Joseph Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...sses/sgydk.html ...a first year student in the Family Nurse Practitioner Program watched from the River by Fort McNair. "I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and seconds later crashed into it." Actually contradicts the official "loop" which doesn't cross the Potomac River discussed in the following thread: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=98&st=0 The official "loop": http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...flight_path.jpg At what point in the above image does the aircraft "fly towards the White House" then make a "sharp turn...towards the Pentagon" View from White House to Pentagon: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegaller...y/phpcCVt6w.jpg He was allegedly in Fort McNair: http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6915/fortmcnair.png on the other side of the Potomac River. He can't physically see the alleged impact zone, but he certainly contradicts the official flight path that loops to the west of the Potomac River without crossing. Carroll, Susan Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...sses/sgydk.html "I was standing on the platform high above the [Washington Reagan] airport awaiting a Metro subway train to my office in the heart of the district, on Constitution Avenue, admiring the lovely blue skies when I saw the plane hit and the fireball and explosion at the Pentagon." Discussed here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?s...dpost&p=1581666 Her alleged POV: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...ndrodriguez.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...aragemetrol.jpg Maybe she saw the aircraft, but she could not physically see the alleged impact. How could she? Additional info (media connections) http://www.sewallbelmont.org/womenwecelebr...j-carroll-ph-d/ Carter, Donald Source: CIT interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBT-f2Px1wA A: Me and Darrell were discussing something, um, a project over at section we were supposed to be going in for that day. And, um--- So at the time, you know, all of a sudden, we seen a plane as far as over here, over the Naval Annex? Coming from over... So, actually, you know, we spotted him then he--- The plane actually veered off, sort of like he swerved off, and then he caught... you know, got... got on track. And then he hit the Pentagon. [...] Q: Would you say it was more on, on the north side of the Navy Annex over here? Or the south side on the far other end? A: It was more like, sort of like he was centered. [...] A: We started runnin'. And then, at that time, you know, when we was runnin', I looked... I sorta kinda looked back, you know, seen the explosion. As it exploded, you know, felt the heat. Felt the heat of the explosion. [...] Q: So--- I mean--- Some people say that it was far on the other side of the Citgo. A: No. Q: What do you have to say about that? A: Well, they must didn't see it. Cause I"m, I'm standin'--- As a matter fact, I was standing right here, discussing, you know, like I was telling you. The flightpath he drew: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt.../carterpath.jpg Additional info: He contradicts the official C130 flightpath: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...pproachgif1.gif Official C130 flightpath vs witnessed flightpath: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...0comparison.jpg Carter is not a witness to the alleged impact. Though he saw the explosion as he looked back he did not describe seeing the aircraft strike the building. He describes the NOC flightpath and completely contradicts the official C130 flightpath Chaconas, Steve CIT interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5D2K19Y-aI Discussed here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=98 He describes seeing the aircraft crossing the Potomac River from Washington Touched on here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=168 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V106NvMdQY Chauncey, Don Source: Media "Arabesque" and 911Myths http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKDNxNtk2o Discussed here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?s...dpost&p=2103686 Don: Well myself and another coworker who sits beside me, both of us were actually on the phone looking out the window when it happened and we both dropped the phone, and we picked it back up, and said we got to go, it looks like somebody…there’s been a plane crash at either the airport or the Pentagon. His POV: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a1fa9ddef1.jpg Very strange testimony on reading the breakdown of his account by researcher "22205" at the link above. Did not witness alleged impact. Cissell, James Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...sses/sgydk.html As former Cincinnatian James R. Cissell sat in traffic on a Virginia interstate by the Pentagon Tuesday morning, he saw the blur of a commercial jet and wondered why it was flying so low. ''Right about the time it was crossing over the highway, it kind of dawned on me what was happening,'' said Cissell, son of Hamilton County Clerk of Courts Jim Cissell. In the next blink of an eye, he realized he had a front-row seat to history, as the plane plowed into the Pentagon, sending a fireball exploding into the air and scattering debris - including a tire rim suspected of belonging to the airplane - past his car. (...) In the next seconds dozens of things flashed through his mind. ''I thought, "This isn't really happening. That is a big plane." Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said. While he remembers seeing the crash, Cissell remembers none of the sounds. ''It came in in a perfectly straight line,'' he said. ''It didn't slow down. I want to say it accelerated. It just shot straight in.'' http://www.cincypost.com/attack/cissel091201.html Cissell refutes this media embellishment of his testimony: "The Cincinnati Post article, which you refer, angered me greatly after reading it. It is almost completely fiction based loosely on an interview I did with a Cincinnati Post reporter Kimball Perry who called me in response to an on air phone report that I did for Channel 12 in Cincinnati." Cissell relates what he actually told the reporter. "The reporter took extreme creative license not only with the title but also with the story as a whole. Why he felt the need to sensationalize anything that happened on September 11 is beyond me. My words to the reporter were, "I was about four cars back from where the plane crossed over the highway. That it happened so quickly I didn't even see what airline it was from. However, I was so close to the plane when it went past that had it been sitting on a runway, I could have seen the faces of passengers peering out." also "Looking at the trajectories in the diagrams they have online seems off to me. I remember the plane coming in more directly at the side of the building than at an angle," said Cissell. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2...ht77.htm (dead) Further investigation needed as he places himself "four cars back" (alleged approx placement Penny Elgas gave) from where the aircraft crossed Route 27 and "coming in more directly at the side of the building than at an angle" http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/b...GroupsMap-3.jpg If the aircraft passed just in front of his car, it would have arrived from behind at an almost 45 degree angle. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pentagon/spe...gonapproach.jpg He was allegedly in a position to witness the alleged impact but he doesn't describe the official directional damage path at all. Additional info: A former photojournalist who, for the last three years, has worked for the Freedom Forum Museum in Arlington, Va., Cissell was listening to his car radio and the news of the planes slamming into the World Trade Center while sitting in traffic. ''I was thinking, 'If anything happens to the Pentagon right now, I don't have my (photo) gear with me,' '' he said today. http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/docu...ocumentID=18012 Connections to USA Today and Gannett through the "Freedom Forum Museum" founded by USA TODAY and former chairman and chief executive officer, Gannett Co, ALLEN H. NEUHARTH. Clem, Dennis (Pentagon Chief Information Officer/Deputy Director of Defence Intelligence Agency) Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...sses/sgydk.html South Parking Lot "There was a commercial airliner that said American Airliners over the side of it flying at just above treetop height at full speed headed for the Pentagon." There is no view of the west face of the Pentagon bar from the first few lanes. http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com.../pentagon-2.jpg Ignoring the fact that he's a Pentagon CIO, it needs to be confirmed exactly where he allegedly was. Either way he makes no mention of witnessing any alleged impact. Cleveland, Allen Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...sses/sgydk.html "I was just pulling in on the subway station at national airport, I just happened to look over, actually my back was facing in the direction of the Pentagon, I looked to the right from the train, as we were coming into the station and I notice a jet flying in real low, about a mid-size passenger jet flying in, I know it was silver, that's the only thing I know, as it was coming in, I just realized that there was no landing strip on that side of the subway system, so I just happened to look and thought maybe it was just my mistake because the subway system kind of curves around a little bit, and the next thing I know there was a huge explosion there and everybody on the subway, one mouthed profanity, everybody on the subway turned around and looked and everyone went into total hysterics, women were crying, and people were just absolutely in disbelief." discussed here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?s...dpost&p=1581666 His alleged POV: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...ndrodriguez.jpg Did not state that he saw, nor could he physically see the alleged impact. Clodfelter, George Source: Media "They Saw" His story is of rescue work. He makes no mention of the aircraft anywhere. Not a witness to the flight of the aircraft. Close, Bernadette Source: Media http://history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/sold.../responding.pdf "I was on the last day of my AT [annual training]. I found myself in front of a computer typing up forms and putting them into a database. One of my techs came up and said, “Doesn't your husband work in the Pentagon?” I said, “No, but he goes there sometimes. Why?” And Specialist Chadwick goes, “Well, they just blew up the Pentagon.” And I was like, “You're kidding me?” [...] But we did go right up by the helipad almost (OSS: late afternoon). You could see pieces of the airplane sitting there, and it looked like some cushions or some pieces. – [...] About 8:00, they told us we could go home, that the AFIP [Armed Forces Institute of Pathology] was there, and the FBI was there. It seemed like it was kind of a political issue as to who had responsibility for which area, and that if the AFIP was coming in, then they didn't need us because they had their own group, and the FBI was still in charge, though, so we were just kind of sitting here going what's going on?" Didn't arrive until the afternoon. Did not see aircraft nor alleged impact. Cohen, Terry Source: Media NBC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM02irUiHf4 "we heard the boom" Not a witness to the aircraft. Cook, Scott Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...esses/bart.html We didn't know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, [we were told that] it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon(...) As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. Didn't witness alleged impact. Additional info: Scott Cook's alleged POV http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...20movie/173.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...ottcookspov.jpg A zoomed in shot from his office: http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SP...t_Cook_view.jpg His own comments accompanying this zoomed image at his now defunct website: The Pentagon from my office at exactly 9:38AM, September 11, 2002, one year after the attack. The plane hit the far side of the building, about where the crane arm sticks up in this picture. I had just scanned the sky and the scene one more time, and turned to Ray. We were talking about the need for a swift response to this attack (we were already talking about bin Laden) when Ray leapt to one side, his face instantly animated beyond anything I had ever seen. "They just hit the Pentagon!" I turned. Rising up from the right center of the Pentagon’s mass was a gigantic spherical orange mass, the flames oddly bright and vivid in the clear direct sunlight. I stepped to the window, and instinctively put my hand to the glass. Verle and Ray were quickly on either side of me. A few seconds after the explosion, the glass rattled and a dull boom shook the room. http://www.scottpcook.com/clothmonkey/91101.htm His description of the C130 contradicts witness testimony, videotape footage and the OCT RADES data: http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=503 Again, not an alleged impact witness. Correa, Victor Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...esses/bart.html LTC Victor Correa work at the Pentagon. (...) LTC Victor Correa's office, what was the Army's Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, now the Army G-1, was in the path of the Boeing 757 that crashed into the Pentagon on a sunny fall morning. He was walking over to talk to a co-worker in the next cubicle when he was knocked down by the impact[...]"We thought it was some kind of explosion. That somehow someone got in here and planted bombs because we saw these holes." Inside the building. Did not witness the alleged impact. Cox, Richard (Arlington po) Source: Media "They Saw" Three blocks further along, at the intersection of Columbia Pike with South Wayne Street, Police Motorcycle Officer Richard Cox observed the airliner flying so close to the ground that the polished underside of its fuselage reflected the images of the buildings it passed on its flight; then he heard an explosion. He is alleged to have seen the aircraft well before the Navy Annex with no view of the Pentagon basin. He doesn't contradict the NOC flightpath. Additional info: "The White Plane" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b22FtxlnzEA "Dr Corley" Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...esses/bart.html "It was striking to me how little of the building was involved in the fire," said Dr. Corley, who has reviewed the Pentagon report. The fire, he said, "didn't spread and and trap other people in the building. "While 125 Pentagon workers and 59 passengers and crew members on the plane died, few if any of the workers who died were from outside the immediate impact zone." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/05/nyregion/05TOWE.html Wasn't there. Did not see alleged impact. Creed, Dan Source: Media http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evide...esses/bart.html He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls. Does not mention witnessing alleged impact (his POV isn't established) nor does he contradict NOC. Needs further investigation. Carpark? http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/DSC_0411.jpg Cruz-Cortes Source: Media http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1191.0 Army Sgt. Roxane Cruz-Cortes, top, and Marine Cpl. Michael Vera, right, were both inside the Pentagon when the plane hit, and both stayed inside to rescue wounded co-workers. Marine Cpl. Michael Vera never heard the explosion caused by Flight 77. Inside the building. Did not see the plane. Breakdown A: There are 18 alleged witnesses - Inside the Pentagon at time of event - 2 - not there - 3 = 13 - could not physically see Pentagon - 6 - Candelario - Carroll - Chaconas - Chauncey - Cleveland - Cox = 7 - stated that they did not see alleged impact - 2 - Cook - Carter = 5 - inferred that they didn't see alleged impact ("felt/heard") - 2 - Campo - Cohen (inside a trailer) = 3 - vague description and/or doesn't mention actually seeing alleged impact - 1 - Creed = 2 - could not physically see alleged impact zone and whose POV isn't known - 1 - Clem = 1 alleged impact witness in a position to see - Cissell (possible NOC) Breakdown B: There are 18 alleged witnesses 16 of which are media sourced 2 of which have media connections - Cissell - Carroll 2 of which were interviewed by CIT - Carter - Chaconas 1 of which is a confirmed NOC and over the Navy Annex witness - Carter 1 contradicts the C130 RADES data - Carter 2 of which are possible NOC witnesses - Cissell - Campo 2 contradict the official "loop" to the west of the Potomac River/Washington Watch video presentation linked to: - Chaconas "I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon" - Candelario 1 second hand contradiction of official "loop" (that is multiple corroborated): "Later, [we were told that] it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon" - Cook 2 of which described "ducking/diving/physical reaction to the blast" "we were outside in a little construction trailer...the building shook, the ceiling tiles fell out of the ceiling" - Cohen "the glass rattled and a dull boom shook the room" - Cook Breakdown C: 1 of which is media misinfo addressed by the witness himself "as the plane plowed into the Pentagon, sending a fireball exploding into the air and scattering debris - including a tire rim suspected of belonging to the airplane - past his car." The witness response to the article: "The Cincinnati Post article, which you refer, angered me greatly after reading it. It is almost completely fiction based loosely on an interview I did with a Cincinnati Post reporter Kimball Perry who called me in response to an on air phone report that I did for Channel 12 in Cincinnati" - Cissell 1 of which was proven media mis/disinfo due to a total misrepresentation of his Spanish account "very fast down, it moved then go straight to the building” (sic) - totally false - Campo 1 of which (who couldn't see the Pentagon) is a second hand account. "Police Motorcycle Officer Richard Cox observed the airliner flying so close to the ground that the polished underside of its fuselage reflected the images of the buildings it passed on its flight; then he heard an explosion" - Cox Breakdown D: Of those who actually claimed to witness the aircraft with connections to military/media or government 1 of which was the Chief Information Officer/Deputy Director of Defence Intelligence Agency - Clem 2 of which are connected to the media - Carroll (media commentator) - Cissell (photojournalist working for institution founded by USAToday chief) 1 of which is government connected - Scott Cook (FAIR) |
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Pentagon Witness List 09 Sep 2012 14:11 #2464
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