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Aw: Wrackteile im Pentagon 14 Oct 2010 20:41 #1155

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...ein gewisser Craig Ranke...
Wenn das nicht sarkastisch gemeint war, solltest du dir dringend mal National Security Alert und die weiteren Videos von CIT ansehen.
www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/evidence.html
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Aw: Wrackteile im Pentagon 14 Oct 2010 21:22 #1156

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soll ich mir jetzt den 1,5 stündigen Film ansehen?
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Aw: Wrackteile im Pentagon 14 Oct 2010 21:34 #1157

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Hier sind die Infos über die ersten drei "Augenzeugen" von
911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/details.html
__________________________________________________________

Steve Anderson -- From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington
I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball.
Google-Suche:
site:http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT Steve Anderson
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=647
Steve Anderson (Detractor)

Die Kommentare dieser CIT-Seite beziehen sich auf andere Zitate von Anderson als das obige, die aber noch unglaubwürdiger sind als dass das Flugzeug wie oben behauptet mit dem linken Flügel auf dem Boden entlang geschleift ist. (Ohne, dass es dadurch abstürzt? Und wo sind die Schleifspuren?)

- Nicht erreichbar
- Aussichtspunkt nicht zum Fotografieren zugänglich.
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=930
People who have researched the Pentagon attack extensively are well aware of the Gannett connection. Here is a list of some of the writers and editors for Gannett and its subsidiaries who (according to their accounts) just so happened to be over half an hour late for work and just so happened to be in excellent positions to see the plane in the final seconds and report that it hit the building, even though we now have conclusive evidence that it did not.

...
Steve Anderson – director of communications for Gannett's USA Today.
...

A number of these reporters claim to have been within less than 1/4 of a mile of each other on Route 27, right in front of the Pentagon.

CIT has covered this issue extensively, providing detailed research and analysis. They have even conducted and published exclusive interviews with a number of these individuals, excerpts of which are featured in "The USA Today Parade" and "The Pentagon Flyover: How They Pulled It Off", amongst other places.

Mehr zu Gannet-Reportern bei: "The USA Today Parade"
thepentacon.com/LloydEngland_AccompliceVideo.htm#UsaToday
__________________________________________________________

Micky Bell -- just left trailer in construction yard
The jet came in from the south and banked left as it entered the building, narrowly missing the Singleton Electric trailer and the on-site foreman, Mickey Bell.

site:http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT Mickey Bell
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/ar/t82.htm

Only saw plane (possibly from far away location), could not see pentagon, light poles or impact, either deduced or are lying OR do not directly mention or CONFIRM seeing an impact:
...
Mickey Bell (did not know what had happened)
...
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=559

Mickey Bell??

There isn't even a direct quote from him.

His "story" was told 3rd hand by the media with quotes from his Pentagon Renovation contractor boss and heavily used as a part of the propaganda.

Even according to them Bell didn't remember the event!

QUOTE
He ended up back at Singleton's headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much. The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn't realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell's work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened.

How do they know it was plastic and rivets from an airplane?

Und wie sollen die Alu-Nieten und Plastikteile im Stahlblech des Autos steckenbleiben?
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=959

...Mickey Bell who had been quoted as describing the entire Official Path, lightpoles and all. It was eventually settled upon that he had no idea what happened.
__________________________________________________________
David Marra -- had just turned his BMW off an I-395 exit to the highway
"The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there ..

site:http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT David Marra
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/ar/t82.htm

17. Dave Marra (dubious, questionable witness - claims plane cartwheeled into 20. building)

"to cartwheel" heißt "ein Rad schlagen" oder "eine Rolle machen", wie man es erwartet, wenn ein Flugzeug mit einem Flügel den Boden berührt.
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=677

QUOTE
""It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.

-Dave Marra, had allegedly just turned off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8...74655-4,00.html


If the plane would have caught an edge of the wing in the ground...

A. We would see damage to the lawn. There is none.
B. This would have impeded a succesful penetration, as it would have changed the trajectory of the plane causing it to "cartwheel" into the building, as Dave Marra/the Time author suggests.

This clearly did not happen in the official story nor can it happen with the north of gas station approach.

Most importantly he does not indicate nor was he independently asked if the plane was on the north or south side of the gas station, which is hard to see from any 395 exit.

No Dave Marra born in 1978 in VA:
www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?...tyle=1&tm=&tmr=
One David G Marra in MD:
www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?...tyle=1&tm=&tmr=
One David L Marra in DC, no phone number:
www.zabasearch.com/maps/?sname1=DAV...hone=&int_var=3

Dave Marra is NOT a valid witness nor does he debunk a north side or represent a south side.
__________________________________________________________

Bezüglich der Pentagon-Zeugen wollte sich auch reopen911.info vertiefen - vielleicht bekomme ich da ja mal was aus dem Französischen zu übersetzen.
Insgesamt sieht das Thema nach reichlich Arbeit für Woodybox aus..

Das hat mich jetzt 2 Stunden gekostet und bringt eigentlich nicht viel - ich muss jetzt erst mal Koffer packen, morgen fliege ich mit zwei Boeings 767 :)

PS: Der letzte Eintrag in der Liste, Stephen McGraw, wurde gründlich interviewt..
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Aw: Wrackteile im Pentagon 14 Oct 2010 21:47 #1158

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Hier sind die Infos über die ersten drei "Augenzeugen" von
911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/details.html
__________________________________________________________

Steve Anderson -- From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington
I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball.
Google-Suche:
site:http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT Steve Anderson
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=647
Steve Anderson (Detractor)

Die Kommentare dieser CIT-Seite beziehen sich auf andere Zitate von Anderson als das obige, die aber noch unglaubwürdiger sind als dass das Flugzeug wie oben behauptet mit dem linken Flügel auf dem Boden entlang geschleift ist. (Ohne, dass es dadurch abstürzt? Und wo sind die Schleifspuren?)

- Nicht erreichbar
- Aussichtspunkt nicht zum Fotografieren zugänglich.

z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=930
People who have researched the Pentagon attack extensively are well aware of the Gannett connection. Here is a list of some of the writers and editors for Gannett and its subsidiaries who (according to their accounts) just so happened to be over half an hour late for work and just so happened to be in excellent positions to see the plane in the final seconds and report that it hit the building, even though we now have conclusive evidence that it did not.

...
Steve Anderson – director of communications for Gannett's USA Today.
...

A number of these reporters claim to have been within less than 1/4 of a mile of each other on Route 27, right in front of the Pentagon.

CIT has covered this issue extensively, providing detailed research and analysis. They have even conducted and published exclusive interviews with a number of these individuals, excerpts of which are featured in "The USA Today Parade" and "The Pentagon Flyover: How They Pulled It Off", amongst other places.

Mehr zu Gannet-Reportern bei: "The USA Today Parade"
thepentacon.com/LloydEngland_AccompliceVideo.htm#UsaToday
__________________________________________________________

Micky Bell -- just left trailer in construction yard
The jet came in from the south and banked left as it entered the building, narrowly missing the Singleton Electric trailer and the on-site foreman, Mickey Bell.

site:http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT Mickey Bell
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/ar/t82.htm

Only saw plane (possibly from far away location), could not see pentagon, light poles or impact, either deduced or are lying OR do not directly mention or CONFIRM seeing an impact:
...
Mickey Bell (did not know what had happened)
...
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=559

Mickey Bell??

There isn't even a direct quote from him.

His "story" was told 3rd hand by the media with quotes from his Pentagon Renovation contractor boss and heavily used as a part of the propaganda.

Even according to them Bell didn't remember the event!

QUOTE
He ended up back at Singleton's headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much. The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn't realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell's work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened.

How do they know it was plastic and rivets from an airplane?

Und wie sollen die Alu-Nieten und Plastikteile im Stahlblech des Autos steckenbleiben?
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=959

...Mickey Bell who had been quoted as describing the entire Official Path, lightpoles and all. It was eventually settled upon that he had no idea what happened.
__________________________________________________________
David Marra -- had just turned his BMW off an I-395 exit to the highway
"The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there ..

site:http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT David Marra
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/ar/t82.htm

17. Dave Marra (dubious, questionable witness - claims plane cartwheeled into 20. building)

"to cartwheel" heißt "ein Rad schlagen" oder "eine Rolle machen", wie man es erwartet, wenn ein Flugzeug mit einem Flügel den Boden berührt.
z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=677

QUOTE
""It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.

-Dave Marra, had allegedly just turned off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8...74655-4,00.html


If the plane would have caught an edge of the wing in the ground...

A. We would see damage to the lawn. There is none.
B. This would have impeded a succesful penetration, as it would have changed the trajectory of the plane causing it to "cartwheel" into the building, as Dave Marra/the Time author suggests.

This clearly did not happen in the official story nor can it happen with the north of gas station approach.

Most importantly he does not indicate nor was he independently asked if the plane was on the north or south side of the gas station, which is hard to see from any 395 exit.

No Dave Marra born in 1978 in VA:
www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?...tyle=1&tm=&tmr=
One David G Marra in MD:
www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?...tyle=1&tm=&tmr=
One David L Marra in DC, no phone number:
www.zabasearch.com/maps/?sname1=DAV...hone=&int_var=3

Dave Marra is NOT a valid witness nor does he debunk a north side or represent a south side.
__________________________________________________________

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ich weigere mich, so eine wirre "Widerlegung" zu bearbeiten.
edit:
ich habs trotzdem gemacht:

Anderson wäre laut CIT widerlegt, weil er nicht erreichbar ist und sein damaliger Aussichtspunkt nicht zum fotografieren zugänglich ist.

Der nächste Augenzeuge, Micky Bell, wäre laut CIT "widerlegt", weil seine Geschichte nacherzählt wurde von dritter Hand. Sein Arbeitsgerät am Pentagon wäre durch Teile vom Flugzeug laut Aussage der Firma, wo er arbeitete, beschädigt worden. Sie fanden im Gerät Flugzeugteile. Laut woody box wäre die Aussage der Firmar widerlegt, denn "Und wie sollen die Alu-Nieten und Plastikteile im Stahlblech des Autos steckenbleiben?" Nach CIT, sagte er, dass er keine Ahnung hatte, was vor sich ging, und sich nicht mehr erinnern kann. Also widerlegt.

Dave Marra wäre "widerlegt", weil er ein Schadensereignis (Flügel streift Rasen) sah, das in Wirklichkeit nicht stattfand. Da der Zeuge von weiter weg das Ereignis sah, könnte es möglich sei, dass er lediglich den Eindruck hatte, es wäre so gewesen. Daher könnte die Einschätzung von CIT, er wäre ein dubioser Lügner, eine Frechheit sein.

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Last Edit: 14 Oct 2010 22:27 by bio1.
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Aw: Wrackteile im Pentagon 14 Oct 2010 22:44 #1159

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ich weigere mich, so eine wirre "Widerlegung" zu bearbeiten.
edit:
ich habs trotzdem gemacht:
Schön (wenn auch misslungen).
Aber ich weigere mich, weiter mit jemandem über das Pentagon zu diskutieren, der noch nicht mal National Securtiy Alert gesehen hat.
Kein Wunder, dass wir da aneinander vorbeireden.
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Aw: Wrackteile im Pentagon 15 Oct 2010 13:46 #1160

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Harald_B srieb: Wenn das nicht sarkastisch gemeint war, solltest du dir dringend mal National Security Alert und die weiteren Videos von CIT ansehen.
www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/evidence.html
Bio schrieb: soll ich mir jetzt den 1,5 stündigen Film ansehen?


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